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SleepingDragon



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Posted - 07/10/2006 :  02:15:56  Show Profile  Visit SleepingDragon's Homepage Send SleepingDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No one wants to play?
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Ngokfei



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Posted - 07/14/2006 :  11:46:19  Show Profile Send Ngokfei a Private Message  Reply with Quote
an educational note:
5 element theory according to fenshui/fortune telling.
Metal stands for mineral, gold, jewelry, iron, rock or something hard. Water stands for liquid or something cold. Wood stands for tree or something to do with wood. Fire stands for Sun, fire, heat, light or something hot. Earth stands for soil, dust or ground. There are affinity and enmity relationships between five elements.

The affinity relationship means supporting, helping, producing, etc.

Water can help tree (Wood) grow.
Wood can help Fire to burn.
Fire can help to produce dust (Earth).
Earth can help mineral (Metal) to form.
Metal can hold Water.
We can say that :-

Water is the supporting element of Wood. Wood can release the power of Water.
Wood is the supporting element of Fire. Fire can release the power of Wood.
Fire is the supporting element of Earth. Earth can release the power of Fire.
Earth is the supporting element of Metal. Metal can release the power of Earth.
Metal is the supporting element of Water. Water can release the power of Metal.
The enmity relationship means fighting, conflicting, rejecting, etc.

Water can extinguish Fire, but Fire might evaporate Water.
Wood can break the ground (Earth), but Earth can buries Wood too.
Fire can melt Metal, but Metal might not melt before Fire is extinguished.
Earth can absorb Water, but Water can cover the land (Earth).
Metal can cut Wood, but Metal might become dull before breaking Wood.
We can say that :-

Water and Fire are enemies. Water overwhelms the movement of Fire.
Wood and Earth are enemies. Wood overwhelms the movement of Earth.
Fire and Metal are enemies. Fire overwhelms the movement of Metal.
Earth and Water are enemies. Earth overwhelms the movement of Water.
Metal and Wood are enemies. Metal overwhelms the movement of Wood.
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Ngokfei



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Posted - 07/14/2006 :  11:49:39  Show Profile Send Ngokfei a Private Message  Reply with Quote
1 wood
2. fire
3. earth
4. metal
5. water

for weath I guess you present the coins to the couple
for happiness in the household, perhaps the oranges are placed on the ancestoral altar



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SleepingDragon



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Posted - 07/17/2006 :  03:34:30  Show Profile  Visit SleepingDragon's Homepage Send SleepingDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just a note:although water can destroy fire, it is used to control fire in fung suei if fire is to strong in certain areas of a building. Same goes for the other elements.

BTW Eric, what were you told about coins in water? Some people just remove the coins, others will toss it front of the entrance and others will toss it to the crowds.

Anybody want to chime in their teachings and explanations?

BTW Eric not the answer I was looking for, but try again.
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Ngokfei



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Posted - 07/21/2006 :  13:17:32  Show Profile Send Ngokfei a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I haven'tlearned a routine in regards to coins. I know that there is symbolism for the "associations" and are played a particular way.

Well that's my guess. Anticipating enlightenment with your knowledge.



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SleepingDragon



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Posted - 07/28/2006 :  05:40:13  Show Profile  Visit SleepingDragon's Homepage Send SleepingDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Okay rather tourture anybody- Here is the answer I was looking for.

First the lion investigates the cheng.
Because the cheng is with the water element. It will be done last. So that means that wood is done first. This is because after wood you go to fire from fire you go to earth from earth your go to metal, from metal you go to water,each enhances
next.

With each tangerine you can take them, rip apart and expel it to the entrance. Or you can toss it to the people if there are four of them (Father, mother, son daughter or President vp secretary treasurer) The third is to make the fruit into a lotus.
By doing this at each element it signifies the lion visited each place. Some will say you should use the dai tou fut to get
tangerine from the fire for the lion so he doesn't get burned and from water so lion don't drown.

Anyway with the last element, when the Lion finally gets to the water element, the lion then approaches the basin of water and fishes out some coins. After a series of gathering up coins, the lion takes a mouthful of water and then blows it out in a spray (for sanitary purposes it is advisable that the player uses some device such as a turkey baster to accomplish this task)or use the lions beard to lap the water flick it toward the entrance several times. The lettuce sometimes is torn and expelled but, in this case it is not. It is left in the pan with the two tangerines. After the hung pao is taken, the lion takes the basin holding the lettuce and tangerines, and empties the water in front of the door. The lion then presents the basin with the head of lettuce and the pair of tangerines to the person who is responsible for setting up the formation. The two tangerines, sometimes called Gwat/Guht in Cantonese or Zhi in Mandarin (there are several different words used to identify it), symbolize good luck and auspiciousness. Pouring the water before the front door is called Lin-men. Combined with the two tangerines it forms the rebus, Shuang-hsi lin-men, double happiness visits the household. This is because the term Shuang-hsi, double happiness, contains two Zhi characters. The presentation of the head of lettuce is called Sheng-cai ta-hsien, presenting great riches and wealth.

Any questions? Hope this didn't bore anyone. The last part with the pan of water etc can be played on its own, usually it is placed on stool.
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Ngokfei



USA
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Posted - 07/28/2006 :  17:14:11  Show Profile Send Ngokfei a Private Message  Reply with Quote
cool routine.

Kind of lengthy and complex though.

Hope the red envelope is bulging with the $$$.



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SleepingDragon



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Posted - 07/30/2006 :  07:34:35  Show Profile  Visit SleepingDragon's Homepage Send SleepingDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually, not that much different than 7 star in length
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SleepingDragon



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Posted - 10/01/2006 :  05:42:27  Show Profile  Visit SleepingDragon's Homepage Send SleepingDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I wrote an article about different chengs including some of the things discussed here with drawings and pics If any are interested you can check it out, though it may be boring to some.

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