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hasayfu


USA
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Posted - 03/20/2006 :  18:34:49  Show Profile  Visit hasayfu's Homepage Send hasayfu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Why not start with a meaty DnD and one that is probably going to cause the most conflict.

Scenario. You are performing in public and another lion dance team comes within eye shot. What do you do? Before they come together and assuming they have to cross paths, when they do come together.

I'll see if others want to share then I'll give my thoughts.

southernfist



USA
58 Posts

Posted - 03/20/2006 :  22:33:54  Show Profile  Visit southernfist's Homepage Send southernfist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good start.
I was taught our lion to continue with the demonstration if the our lion is in the middle of eating the green or blessing. The students who are not participating directly will block the area that the demo is going on.

The opposing team should not raise their lion or try to break the block which our students have done.
The opposing lion should be in low stance or low walking pattern looking curious and not aggressive.The music of the opposing team should be calm and not excited or loud.

If they cross paths the Sifu's or the senior students must be at the lions side and lowering the lion's head and low walk still looking curious. No blinking of the eyes should be done either

When and if they meet I was taught to kiss the lions and the two people inside shake their hands after they bow to each other in respect three times to either side Left/right. Cards of the schools were exchanged as a sign of respect. No sniffing or raising the lion head or snapping the lion's mouth as if trying to bite. The lions still low and with the sifu or seniors at their side go this way till the whole team has passed.

You should not come in with the Lions raised since this shows arrogance and aggression. and when leaving never look back and raise the lion quickly since this is also and aggressive gesture.

This is what I was taught.

Southern Fist
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Yogi5



USA
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Posted - 03/21/2006 :  00:26:05  Show Profile Send Yogi5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Couldn't have said it any better myself. Thanks Southernfist
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hasayfu



USA
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Posted - 03/21/2006 :  01:41:08  Show Profile  Visit hasayfu's Homepage Send hasayfu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks guys for sharing. Southern Fist, if you don't mind, can you mention where your lion dance comes from. Just so I have a frame of reference. If you are not comfortable, I can respect that.

I can agree with all your Don'ts. I was also taught all those things. What to do is slightly different. Again, this is what I'm taught and I'm glad to have people share. This way when we meet, we aren't offended.

First thing I'm told is that the sifu/leader should meet the other team's leader. Proper protocol is they meet in between where the teams are. The other leader should come out as well. If the other leader/sifu doesn't come out, it could mean that he doesn't find us worthy of his time. Of course, it could be he just doesn't follow the same protocol. This meeting should occur away from both teams so if another leader then come out to greet me (assuming I was the leader), I would find the leader and ask to speak away from the drums.

This does cause a problem because I have done shows where it's the two lions and a three person band. IF we were to meet another team in this situation, I would probably be drumming and could not leave. This never happened but we did plan for it. In that case, the gong would take over the drum and I would do the meet and greet.

Cards are exchanged at the meet and any crossing would procedure would be decided and agreed upon at that time. I'll go into the actual meeting of the lions later.

One note, sometimes this meeting occurs because the business or location has scheduled two lion dances back to back. This gets tricky because the performing team should respect new team and finish promptly. Likewise, the new team should respect the performing team and not take away from the performance. This situation has occurred a few times in the SF area and can lead to confrontations.

The more common method of meeting though is on parade or store to store route.
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southernfist



USA
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Posted - 03/21/2006 :  18:01:45  Show Profile  Visit southernfist's Homepage Send southernfist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
HSF:
Sure my Lion dance knowledge comes from my first Hung Ga Sifu. Sifu Frank Yee (Yee Chi Wai) Back in the late 80's and 90's in NYC Chinatown. Actually the bulk of my knowledge in Lion dancing I have to give him credit. Traditional/classical schools will not be offended. The more modern sifu's or mainland based (Sorry if I offend anyone) Have forgotten the protocol.

On the topic of store performance I have encountered were teams would want to grab other teams greens.just out of spite to instigate a conflict in NYC back when I was with my first Hung Ga teacher.


Southern Fist
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hasayfu



USA
95 Posts

Posted - 03/22/2006 :  16:51:53  Show Profile  Visit hasayfu's Homepage Send hasayfu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nobody else want to share?
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Sifuchuck



USA
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Posted - 04/25/2006 :  11:21:02  Show Profile  Visit Sifuchuck's Homepage  Send Sifuchuck an AOL message Send Sifuchuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
HSF-
I don't want to say much here because most of what I know about the subject of Lions In Meeting Protocol (LIMP) I learned from you-so I don't want to butt in and give away what you're going to say.

Here in the frigid north where there is no Chinatown and only about 3 LD teams in the whole state, we don't meet other LD teams when performing. But just in case, we always mount BF knives on our drums!



Chuck
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