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Alerten22
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 Posted - 07/10/2006 : 01:49:00
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Have you found in your internal art the techniques are practal from experience? (please list the art you do when answering the question)
and could you tell the experience you had when learning it was practical?
The Rigid person is a disciple of death; The soft, supple, and delicate are lovers of life. -Lao Tzu
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TenTigers
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2006 : 10:42:24
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I am not sure I understand the question. From my experience, the Yang style Tai-Chi that I was taught is full of joint breaking, and locking techniques, and strikes to bital points. The small amount of Bot Kua I learned has sweeps, takedowns,joint breaks and close in strikes. The smattering of Ying-Yee Kuen (xing-yi Chuan) I was exposed to seemed to consist of nothing but fast aggressive fight enders.
-actually, when looking back, I am not sure if I learned any health benefits.
"I will NOT be of the generation that killed Kung-Fu!" |
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3 Circle Method
Australia
1539 Posts |
 Posted - 07/12/2006 : 17:45:16
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| bital points is that liken biting mike tyson style? |
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Alerten22
USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2006 : 22:10:58
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Well i thought it was a discussion i could learn from because i don't learn nor know much about it Tai Chi. So i wantd to ask a newb question to get a good discussion going about it
The Rigid person is a disciple of death; The soft, supple, and delicate are lovers of life. -Lao Tzu |
Edited by - Alerten22 on 07/12/2006 22:12:11 |
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grasshopper
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Posted - 07/17/2006 : 19:19:18
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Hi.. I'm new to this board, but I've done a bit of Yang tai-chi and what I got out of it was helping a lot to fix my knees which had been messed up for years and it gave me better reflexes, balance and concentration (your standard stuff... ;) ). It also gave me an knack for healing which I discovered when I came across Reiki practitionners.
I am now practicing Xing-Yi and Chow Gar.
What I find interesting about Xing-Yi is the speed at which celerity and energy are developped in training (probably due to the high number of reps per move/low number of moves to practice) both in strikes and footwork.
However, being a girl, I find that the chi work involved in xing-yi is really "rough" (hope that you will understand what I mean)and has made me dizzy, nauseous, and just plain sick at times. I have yet to discover why it does that but Xing-Yi is helping my Kung Fu a lot in lowering my stances and developping strike power.
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Edited by - grasshopper on 07/17/2006 19:21:55 |
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3 Circle Method
Australia
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Posted - 07/17/2006 : 21:23:54
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Grasshopper,
When you get sick from training the chi in Hsing Yi is it mostly when you do long standing meditations (jaam Jong/ zhang zhong)?
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grasshopper
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Posted - 07/17/2006 : 22:23:26
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3 circle,
I would tend to say it happens mostly when I've been practicing the "drilling" moves. On the contrary, the meditation helps.
Would anybody have any cues as to why this may happen?
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DRleungjan
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Posted - 07/22/2006 : 14:01:48
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Hi there,Alerten22
A good question indeed. From the limited experience (about a year and some months)I possess I'd say that EVERY art has internal aspects to them. Some stress this point more than others. I'd actually ask this question instead: 'How practical are the techniques within your chosen art(s)' and then 'How is the level of the techiniques enhanced when they are internalized?'
From my Fat Sau Wing Chun point of view I'd say very much so. The techniques that my chosen style possess are very practical indeed and very internalized. Also like many southern arts, it has the elements of Kam Na, Baat Gwa footworks, and short explosive close quarter techniques. Also they (the techniques) make sense and are very economical in nature...and that's very important. I don't know how well I've answered the question, but those are some thoughts.
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3 Circle Method
Australia
1539 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2006 : 20:58:28
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I guess its all a matter of what you call internalised?! If you are after effective sriking look towards boxing and add elbows, forarms but some internal systems the techniques are for energy work and not all fighting thats why its internal not taking your external system and trying to make it soft and say oh i feel it is NOW internal....
There is a huge difference in REAL INTERNAL kung fu to EXTERNAL SYSTEMS OF KUNG FU.
MY THOUGHT!
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cbishop
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2006 : 23:34:34
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Originally posted by grasshopper
Would anybody have any cues as to why this may happen?
according to students of hung yi xiang (well known xingyi guy),
xingyi has a tendancy to cause a chiflow that often doesn't feel
very nice afterward (think they call this 'fire'). has a tendancy to
make men more aggressive. some other meditation or circle walking are
used after xingyi practice to calm the nerves.
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3 Circle Method
Australia
1539 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2006 : 01:26:29
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Sounds like more Yang Chi....like most external arts need a balance of some internal work, i heard the circle walking is very good for meditation.
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Alerten22
USA
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Posted - 06/23/2007 : 12:27:00
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Originally posted by cbishop
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Originally posted by grasshopper
Would anybody have any cues as to why this may happen?
according to students of hung yi xiang (well known xingyi guy),
xingyi has a tendancy to cause a chiflow that often doesn't feel
very nice afterward (think they call this 'fire'). has a tendancy to
make men more aggressive. some other meditation or circle walking are
used after xingyi practice to calm the nerves.
Um... I believe what your talking about (i'm no expert) in Xing Yi, why it has a tendancy to cuase a chiflow that often doesn't feel very nice afterwards, is because really to do less with the specific element Fire, although fire is the first and most common practiced in i believe many different Xing Yi's. (not to put anyone down but it is were most Xing Yi starts with fire, and works its way higher) I would totally agree that it sounds like Yang Chi (or one of them... i get them both mixed up... i know its horrible) But i know for a fact that the aggressiveness is because other elements weak in the body. (I would have to look into it but most likely it should or would balance you Ying and Yang) but this is coming back to what 3 Circle method said... about it sounding more like Yang. In the end you should do Despersals known as Ping chi, to help with this problem of the inbalances.
Is Circle Walking come from Ba Gua?
Edited for add on of what i forgot to say + a little extra: I meant to say at the end of this post, that balancing out other elements in your body... by doing the basic functions will help with this feeling. I would also suggest to take it slow... and use the rule of nature, or rule of natrual order, where you go very slow at first as, you start to notice without any thought applied you start to adapt to evolve as you start to go on with the exercise (for this example the function) allow feeling (much like the common feeling your taught to apply in many different forms of Tai Chi, and more importantly its most likely understood or seen beening down when doing push hands). Allow the sensation evolve or grow, let your feeling start to guide you.(that feels similar or the same as before, only difference should be is that it is stronger from growing, not any new feelings, and all these feelings should feel normal, right, it shouldn't feel to uncomfertable otherwise i advise you to STOP!). Although thats only my advise when practicing the functions by yourself. Otherwise in a pressence of a Sifu, or intructor, follow there instructions.
The Rigid person is a disciple of death; The soft, supple, and delicate are lovers of life. -Lao Tzu |
Edited by - Alerten22 on 06/27/2007 15:10:36 |
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Alerten22
USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2007 : 23:26:11
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Originally posted by Alerten22
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Originally posted by cbishop
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Originally posted by grasshopper
Would anybody have any cues as to why this may happen?
according to students of hung yi xiang (well known xingyi guy),
xingyi has a tendancy to cause a chiflow that often doesn't feel
very nice afterward (think they call this 'fire'). has a tendancy to
make men more aggressive. some other meditation or circle walking are
used after xingyi practice to calm the nerves.
Um... I believe what your talking about (i'm no expert) in Xing Yi, why it has a tendancy to cuase a chiflow that often doesn't feel very nice afterwards, is because really to do less with the specific element Fire, although fire is the first and most common practiced in i believe many different Xing Yi's. (not to put anyone down but it is were most Xing Yi starts with fire, and works its way higher) I would totally agree that it sounds like Yang Chi (or one of them... i get them both mixed up... i know its horrible) But i know for a fact that the aggressiveness is because other elements weak in the body. (I would have to look into it but most likely it should or would balance you Ying and Yang) but this is coming back to what 3 Circle method said... about it sounding more like Yang. In the end you should do Despersals known as Ping chi, to help with this problem of the inbalances.
Is Circle Walking come from Ba Gua?
Edited for add on of what i forgot to say + a little extra: I meant to say at the end of this post, that balancing out other elements in your body... by doing the basic functions will help with this feeling. I would also suggest to take it slow... and use the rule of nature, or rule of natrual order, where you go very slow at first as, you start to notice without any thought applied you start to adapt to evolve as you start to go on with the exercise (for this example the function) allow feeling (much like the common feeling your taught to apply in many different forms of Tai Chi, and more importantly its most likely understood or seen beening down when doing push hands). Allow the sensation evolve or grow, let your feeling start to guide you.(that feels similar or the same as before, only difference should be is that it is stronger from growing, not any new feelings, and all these feelings should feel normal, right, it shouldn't feel to uncomfertable otherwise i advise you to STOP!). Although thats only my advise when practicing the functions by yourself. Otherwise in a pressence of a Sifu, or intructor, follow there instructions.
The Rigid person is a disciple of death; The soft, supple, and delicate are lovers of life. -Lao Tzu
So i think when i spoke here i had no clue what i was talking about.
Although i personally wouldn't say that Xing Yi has a tendency to cuase the chiflow that often doesn't feel very nice. Yet its a much bigger subject then just that.
The building up fire causes in some cases men to be so agressive statement what does that mean to me. Personally i don't know enough about it... i'd go learn it from a qualified teacher, and experience it for myself. But yeah the generality is basically when you work your body up... and building up chiflow, we can say your mind, body, and spirit to say the least can't handle it that fast... but then again the turning of the wheel is a good thing, from failing to understand why you not be able to handle it you will learn from trial and error will teach you how to as long as you are trying to find clearity to overcome.
The Rigid person is a disciple of death; The soft, supple, and delicate are lovers of life. -Lao Tzu |
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