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 what and how to build 'internal' striking ability
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BillH


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Posted - 12/04/2006 :  13:45:28  Show Profile  Visit BillH's Homepage Send BillH a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i started a thread like this on another forum, but most of the people there ended up being douchebags, so i wanted to go into here a little. All of these questions are in regards to fighting energy:

First: Do 'internal' strikes exist, and what are they?
Second: If they do exist, how do you build that specific energy?
Third: Are there differences between internal and external, and what are they?

I have other questions, but I wanted to get into the discussion first, as I have my own opinions on this. Sorry if this is re-hashed stuff. I keep seeing people talk about 'internal strikes' (not here but other places), so that got me thinking about this.

Bill

"A man who discovers that he is being boned by an enemy is, indeed, a pitiable sight."

Edited by - BillH on 12/04/2006 13:48:22

method man



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Posted - 12/05/2006 :  05:49:09  Show Profile Send method man a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From my limited perspective, Internal strikes mean different things to different styles. strikes that act on the pressure points are often called internal strikes. Energy that moves to the core of the body is often called internal striking. energy that has no apparent issue from the striker is often called an internal strike. In other words striking and its effects that could not be emulated without a solid foundation of knowledge and practice.
specific energy is dependant on the training methods of the MA you practice. but without training bones and muscle, body allignment, body timing, intent etc. You are unlikly to be able to perform "internal strikes".
If you take external to mean obvious use of force however this is a continumm. Some might say a boxing hook is an external strike, however without knowledge of the proper way to throw a hook and long practice of using the hook. A person asked to throw a hook would not produce the same forces and effect that a trained boxer would.
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Alerten22



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Posted - 06/23/2007 :  01:31:27  Show Profile  Send Alerten22 a Yahoo! Message Send Alerten22 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My two Cents from my limited knowledge, and limited foundation.

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Originally posted by method man

From my limited perspective, Internal strikes mean different things to different styles.


Um... i don't know enough about different styles to say anything on the matter (and i'm saying this not because i'm trying to sound or look knowledgable but rather because i'm going to say other things throughout this post that would leave out most likely big details and the reason why is because i don't know about many other styles... i mean the styles i know the theory from might have limited information... or my information would be limited)

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Originally posted by method man

strikes that act on the pressure points are often called internal strikes..


This really depends on what were talking about. How we define pressure points.

quote:
Originally posted by method man

Energy that moves to the core of the body is often called internal striking.


What energy are you talking about that moves to the core of the body? I don't think i know enough about this subject. (althought thats depending on what energy your talking about)

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Originally posted by method man

energy that has no apparent issue from the striker is often called an internal strike. In other words striking and its effects that could not be emulated without a solid foundation of knowledge and practice.


Once again i'm not totally sure what your talking about here. Yet, If there are three people, two fighting. We will call F1 for fighter 1, and F2 for fighter 2, and the third person will be a innocent bystander watching. F1 hits f2. F2 falls to the ground. F1 was using internal energy to strike with, yet there was no appearent notice of internal energy going from one person to the next according to the third person who knows nothing about internal energy. This is because internal energy does not have to be seen to work. You can build up certain energies in your body... and knowing where to strike and how to strike and so forth, internal energy can happen within the strike.

Although i would like to point out a big misconception that f1 hits f2 and goes down in one hit. f1 didn't do anything but hit a pressure point, in no specific I.E. direction, rub or strike or bump and f1 has no training with his internal energy (specifically in fighting with it) then no there was no internal energy at all. Trust me none at all. Although this is pertty much never the case unless we are talking about f2 is just a wuss and/or f1 can just hit hard.


quote:
Originally posted by method man

specific energy is dependant on the training methods of the MA you practice. but without training bones and muscle, body allignment, body timing, intent etc. You are unlikly to be able to perform "internal strikes".
If you take external to mean obvious use of force however this is a continumm. Some might say a boxing hook is an external strike, however without knowledge of the proper way to throw a hook and long practice of using the hook. A person asked to throw a hook would not produce the same forces and effect that a trained boxer would.



Wow... maybe i shouldn't have posted this... seems like i'm the only person that mistook what you meant by two of your sentances and you following up words reveal information that well... you know if not the same amount more then i... ROFL oh well... hopfully i cleared up something

The Rigid person is a disciple of death; The soft, supple, and delicate are lovers of life. -Lao Tzu
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