| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
kung fu fighter
3 Posts |
 Posted - 10/03/2008 : 14:13:22
|
#1 08-25-2008, 08:37 PM
Op108wc
Weng Kiu Poster Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 609
PSWingChun history!?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PSWingChun history!?
No, there is properly no history, only biography!
Originally posted on KFO
Quote:
Originally posted by kung fu fighter (kfo)
Beware of Scam artist sifu's like Pin Sun wing chun's Henry Mui
Hi Guys!
I just wanted to give you guys a heads up in case you were thinking of studying PSWC under Boston's Henry Mui teacher of Jim Roselando. I spoke to Henry Mui over the phone about coming up to Canada to do a seminar for a small group of us on PSWC. He got all excited and mentioned that he wanted me to be his canadian representive. He said he would travel up to canada on the coming long weekend which was at the end of the month if i send him $500 U.S for his travelling expenses and hotel which I agreed to do. After i send him the money I called to make sure he recieved it. He said he recieved the money and that he will be up on the long weekend. He nevered showed up on the long weekend so i called him every week for the last year, at which point he kept making excuses everytime such as he applied for his passport but it didn't arrived yet. I even mentioned that he could travel with his driver's lisences to canada. After I asked for my money back two weeks ago, he stopped answering my calls. I later found out all about his gambling addiction, as well as how his relationship with his senior and other students ended as a result of cheating them of their money. The only reason Jim roselando was able to to learn anything from him was because he pays him large amounts of money to support his gambling addiction.
Last edited by kung fu fighter; 08-24-2008 at 10:43 PM.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Wooden DummyReally???
Hey Kung Fu Fighter,
This is really sad, if this happened as you say it DOES sound like a scam... I was only at Sifu Mui's school for about 2 months, a little over 5 years ago, but I can say that this was not my experience with him or Jim Roselando. I will let Jim address your comments regarding the "only reason he learned anything" was because he supported this purported gambling habit. A sad story indeed. I can't comment beyond my own personal expereince with him...
__________________
"It is better to know thyself than show thyself
Originally posted by Jim
Hello all,
This is real pathetic!
Navin request Mui Sifu to come for a seminar. Mui Sifu accepted. (even tho I told him not to) Mui Sifu needed to make arrangements and wanted to get to know Navin before going up. While they were communicating, Mui Sifu sends Navin (in good faith) a VHS Tape for FREE, with some basics on it for Navin to use as a starter for his training before he could go up! Real Scam Artist huh!
Navin then places Mui Sifu's tape at the top of his Free Trade (Piracy) list for anyone and everyone as soon as he gets it! Mui Sifu refuses to talk to Navin since he heard of this!
Tisk Tisk Navin! Did you think you could offer his tape, that he gave you in private, for everyone and anyone on the net without Mui Sifu finding out about this? You are openly breaking (C) Protection laws all over the net forums and you call someone else a Scam Artist! You reward his good nature by cheating him before you even meet him!
ROFLMAO
Everyone who trains under Mui Sifu is charged the same fee. There were 4 of us in his final group! 3 of the 4 are still working together weekly and the 4th is no longer active. The one thing he requires more than anything is respect for his art and teaching. All the money in the world can't buy his art my friend! People come from all over the world to meet and train with Mui Sifu! They always come back! None have decided to take advantage of him an expect to still be taught tho!
If you were not in such a rush to cheat the guy then you may have had a chance to learn under him but what goes around comes around. Stop spreading lies because you cheated someone and now want them to still be your teacher.
Sad!
Peace,
__________________
Jim
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Kung Fu fighter
First off the VHS tape which as you put it so nicely "he supposedly sends me (in good faith) for FREE" Was never FREE, I bought it from him for $80 U.S. which I think was more than reasonable for a 15 minute promo tape which was made for the public and sold in martial arts supply stores in Boston a few years ago.
The only reason I put the tape at the top of my trade list was because he scamed me out of my money. He had no intentions of coming up to do any seminar at all otherwise he would have kept his word of coming up on the long weekend last year like he promised, but nice try!
Besides you are a hypocrite can you honestly tell me that you never traded videos
Thus breaking breaking (C) Protection laws. You have traded in the past!!
You also misled KPM into believing that you were teaching him PSWC when in fact you were just teaching him some made up version.
Here is a quote from Gary's forum.
"Hello Gary,
Dr. Kieth was shown some stuff during """"2 1/2 classes"""" over two plus years. Imagine a Doctor going into the operating room after two days in the university/lab? No different!
I developed a "Public" system with request from my Sifu to share some info with people out of state.
From the real 12 hands he learned a superficial 6 (finishing at Lan Kiu), a few basic exercises and some extra stuff that fits in the early stages that he was never able to do with any level of competence. Kieth has publically claimed on KFO to have "Formally Studied" PSWC. If you consider """"2 1/2 classes over a 2 year period"""" formally studying an art???
_________________
Thanks,
Jim"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello,
ROFLOL
My mistake. He charged you $80- and then you posted it on the net after he sent it to you in good faith. Wow! Price went up! He used to charge $60 hahaha
More in accuracies!
You are doing your best to turn this on me but its not going to work. Many people from many places come to Boston to meet Mui Sifu and his people. United Kingdom, Holland, Bermuda, USA etc... Seems strange to me the only person complaining is you who had an opportunity but somehow lost it. We are very honest about what we do. All you have to do is read our web site! Our web site was created because Mui Sifu wanted to share Pin Sun Wing Chun with others. Many people appreciate Mr Mui and his teaching and some don't. Cant make everyone happy!
Thanks for the chat. Enough has been said and this is between Navin and Mui Sifu. Not me! Even tho I am being drag'd into it!
Peace,
Jim Roselando
------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by hunt1
Navin if you have a canceled check or proof of wire transfer there are better ways of handling your frustration. If you mailed the check the postal investigators will handle it and if you wired it would be a federal crime. Even if there is not enough evidence of a crime having federal investigators looking into the situation will cause more headaches for the person who took your money than complaining about it on a forum.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by couch
Jim has been here longer than a lot of us. Don't try and drag him through the mud.
I concur with dealing with your issues off-forum. Wing Chun has enough crap surrounding it without you adding to its pile.
All the best,
Kenton
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oringinally posted by R-Brad
Take it to the authorities/court, and make sure to research before sending people large sums of money
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Keith P. Myers
Speaking with a Forked Tongue!!!
Gene closed the other thread. But this really does demand a response. Navin copied something that Jim said in another forum, not here in KFO, but it was a public forum available for anyone to see. Here is what he had to say:
Hello Gary,
Nice to speak with you again!
I have to jump in this discussion.
Dr. Kieth is simply transferring e-mail notes that I gave him and not qualified to teach martial art in any level. Especially Pin Sun Wing Chun.
Dr. Kieth was shown some stuff during """"2 1/2 classes"""" over two plus years. Imagine a Doctor going into the operating room after two days in the university/lab? No different!
I developed a "Public" system with request from my Sifu to share some info with people out of state.
From the real 12 hands he learned a superficial 6 (finishing at Lan Kiu), a few basic exercises and some extra stuff that fits in the early stages that he was never able to do with any level of competence. Kieth has publically claimed on KFO to have "Formally Studied" PSWC. If you consider """"2 1/2 classes over a 2 year period"""" formally studying an art???
I will participate in the chats for a little while as time permits. Hopefully I will be able to help out with the discussion.
Sorry for the rant.
Here is the link to the entire discussion:
http://www.shaolinjeeshinwingchun.co...c.php?f=2&t=96
As you can see by reading it, Gary and I were discussing the details of some of the Pin Sun San Sik. We were comparing what he had learned from Fung Keung with what I had learned from Jim. They didn't exactly match. But nothing disrespectful was written. Then Jim jumped in with the response you see above.
When this was brought to light here on KFO, Jim had this to say:
Our 12 hand system was not changed! Sorry to inform you! More BS to change the topic! ROFLOL again. Actually, everyone who trains with us knows what they are learning so you are trying to change the topic towards me. Nice try!
Like I said, we all know what we are learning but not everyone who has learned is honest about what they learned. Hence My Response! Feel free to post the link to that entire discussion Navin!
It is rather ironic that Jim is talking about being honest here! All you have to do is read the two very different posts quoted above. Jim told Gary that he had taught me a "superficial" "public" version of Pin Sun. Then he tells Navin that "our 12 hand system was not changed." When I was training with Jim we had several discussions about "public" vs. "private" versions of Pin Sun. He always told me I was learning the "real thing" and not a "public" version. He talked about how it took time for him to get Henry Mui to show him some of the "real things" and how for a long time he could never be sure whether he was learning "public" or "private." But back then he was pretty confident that he had a handle on the "real" "private" version and that was what he taught. We even had discussions comparing the San Sik he was teaching me with the San Sik Fung Keung had posted on his website to point out the differences between the "public" and "private" versions. Now he is posting publically that he taught me a "public" and "superficial" version of Pin Sun. So either he was lying to me back then, or he is lying to you all now. Either way, Jim is NOT being honest somewhere!
Jim says "he was never able to do (Pin Sun) with any level of competence." Which is a joke since I was just as good or better than any of local students. I think that annoyed him somewhat! He goes on to say "Kieth has publically claimed on KFO to have "Formally Studied" PSWC. If you consider """"2 1/2 classes over a 2 year period"""" formally studying an art???"
I went up to Boston to study with Jim and we covered the entire 1st level of the Pin Sun curriculum. We even videotaped the whole thing so that I would have something to refer to. Jim went into great detail for each San Sik. Then I went home and worked on this nearly daily and covered it with my training partner so that I would have someone to train the two-man drills with. My partner and I would periodically videotape ourselves doing various aspects of the training and send it to Jim for critique. He would watch the tape and then eMail or call with corrections and advice. One year later I went to Boston again so Jim could check my level 1 progress personally. He was satisfied and then we did the whole process again covering and videotaping the level 2 curriculum. Then I went home and worked on this....nearly daily... for one more year, again sending Jim videotapes of our progress. After the second year of pretty intense training on my own, I went up to Boston for my third and last visit and took my training partner with me. During this visit Jim brought in several of his local students and reviewed material with us all. The material he had taught his local students was EXACTLY the same as what he had taught me. We did two-man drills and Chi Sao with his students and my training partner and I both held our own very well and were better than several of the local students. This kind of tee'd Jim off since he hadn't even instructed my partner directly. Keep in mind that I had many years of training in Yip Man Wing Chun, and despite what Jim says above, was at an instructor level. I also had background in Traditional Wing Chun. I was not a beginner trying to learn from scratch. So you tell me....does this sound like "formal" training" to you all? Does this sound "superficial?" How is this any different than Gary's trips to Hong Kong to study with Fung Keung?
Jim will likely refute much of this, but I promise you it is accurate to the best of my memory. All you have to do is read the two high-lighted posts above to see that Jim speaks from both sides of his mouth with a forked tongue! Jim comes across on this forum all prim and proper, but you should all know the kind of person you are dealing with.
By the way.....I still have those sessions on videotape. Since they are just a "superficial" and "public" version of Pin Sun, Jim shouldn't have any problem with me sharing them with others. Would anyone like a copy?
Keith P. Myers
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Attention: Navin Mott
This is in response to Mr. Mott's recent thread:
I was made aware that you requested Mr. Mui to teach a seminar in Toronto a number of months ago. For whatever reason why Mr. Mui is not interested in speaking with you does not matter to me! All of this stuff went on between you and Mr. Mui as you got his cell phone number from a web site and contacted him on your own. But, I am his representative and do not appreciate our footage being freely traded on the net.
I am going to send you $500- to pay back the money you deposit for Mr. Mui's seminar. I would respectfully ask you to remove the tape Mr. Mui sent you from your free trade list and Mr. Mui will now teach the seminar at our club to pay the $500- back to my club. Seems to me that by doing this both parties end up happy and it also shows our Kulo Boxing cannot be bought! I will contact you privately!
Sorry to all for this disgusting issue! Hopefully this is the last you will hear from these two people arguing!
Navin,
Send me back the money and I will not persue this legally:
Threats to me about Legal action means nothing. This is all about you and Mui! All of it! Threaten me again and I will leave this between you two! Keep that in mind!
I am doing this only for my piece of crap tape that I told him not to give out. I would also like, if you want, to post a reply on KFO that Jim worked out the issue between Mr Mui and I like a gentleman. I did post something on there to try and help this out!
BTW: Your info on my relationship with him is so far from the reality you do not realize. You should have got the Kulo eBook. :-( hahaha
BTW2: Kieth makes me laugh! hahaha Go read kfo hahahaha. Round two! :-)
Jim Roselando
I am speaking with Mr. Mui about your situation. I have told him that you will remove the video if you are sent a refund. I will do my best to have him take care of your situation.
I intended to help out the situation but my close Kulo family friends and I feel you made a decision to try and drag me in the mud with BS lies even tho I had nothing to do with your issue. You got Mr. Mui's number on your own. Spoke with him on your own. Made arrangements for a seminar on your own and purchased some footage on your own.
None of the issues between Mr. Mui and you had anything to do with me. Bringing me into your situation may have seemed like a fun idea when you were angry but because of this I will not be the middle person to make everything smooth and pay you back for him. I could have had him teach a seminar at my club in return but I do not feel right about it.
I have never cheated anyone in my life. This is something you can be sure about! I am not so interested in that piece of crap footage anymore. Our first DVD (check our site) is done and we have all that stuff plus a lot more on it. The entire first year training is on there and it is being demonstrated by Fung Chun, Fung Jia Pei, Fung Wai Chun, Mui Sifu, Me and others from Boston.
I will be in touch with you. I am taking a few weeks off right now and then will visit Mr. Mui and see what I can do for you but unfortunately, that is the best I am willing to do at this point in time. I should be able to get him to take care of you!
Regards,
Jim
To this day I have never received any of my money back from Jim Roselando. so I recently contacted the U.S postal investegators, as well as the FTC in
washington DC after months of trying to contacting Mr. Mui and his stooge Jim Roselando to get my money back peacefully. Both agencies assured me that they will do everything in their power to go after him, since this is a federal crime. He may just find himself in jail for what $500. Huge price to pay if you ask me.
I just wanted to thank everyone for their support in the thread "scam artist pswc sifu Henry Mui (Mui Wai Hun) of Boston MA". After Years of licking Henry's butth@le Jim Roselando doesn't even know if he got the real pswc, that why he is always trying to contact other pswc practioners. I feel sorry for poor jim because he doesn't realize he was fooled all these years after giving Henry huge sums of money for private lessions to support Henry's gambling habbits.
I just wanted to let you guys know that if ever you find yourself in this situation. you dont have to take it, there are measures you can take.
thanks
Navin
|
|
|
kung fu fighter
3 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2009 : 14:49:41
|
Hi guys,
I just wanted to let everyone know that i received a money order from Mr Mui for the money that he owed me, after Jim Spoke to Henry Mui on my behalf.
thanks for all your support
Navin |
 |
|
| |
Topic |
|
|
|
PS wing chun history
